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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:39:30 -0800 by AlecsDeLarge

Among the many points touched on in this debate, one sticks out in my mind: the discerning power of vague notions proposed by the religious. When making the claim that God, supposedly the ?one true god,? exists in a realm free of testing and characterization, the religious invoke a model of truth statements that really ought not to exist. In this way the evidence necessary to believe any proposition on any other subject is devastatingly removed by sneaky tactics. How is it, I repeat the injunction of Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett, that this disjunct has slipped underneath the frontal lobes of thinking humans?This is origin of the term faith: the conviction that a statement of truth can be made without commensurate evidence, it seems, has become its definition; a far cry from the Biblical warrant, derived with some form of solidarity: hope of things not seen or without sufficient evidence. Faith, in this case as in many others, is not merely the decent description of the lack of knowledge justifying action but the lack of knowledge justifying statement making that no specialist would make. Take the example of God himself. Shermer points out quite eloquently that whenever the God of the OT and NT is described, apart from his resurrection (though this too is arguable), that description could equally be applied to an intelligence beyond the knowledge of our own. An alien that can make bodies, both celestial and terrestrial, has the same forms of powers that were/are given to deity of the present. He rightly points out that whenever the tests of science are applied to a thing, that thing must be in the natural realm because unnatural phenomenon are undetectable by the tools of science. This brings us to the original question, why is it that god is not detectable and yet describable in the mouths of his/her/its adherents? The fact of the matter is, that the mode of deriving claims of faith in god, the ?feelings? one gets when thinking on his impenetrable love and so on, has to exist in the natural realm because you and I exist in that realm. How can god cheat the rules and cross this arbitrary barrier to confirm his existence and then simultaneously disappear into a diaphanous description such as the one given by Phillips that ?god is love??I challenge any believer to answer half of my questions.

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